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Pine vs fir

At the lumberyard “pine” and “fir” usually mean eastern white pine, southern yellow pine or Douglas-fir. The two pines are further apart than pine and fir: longleaf pine is harder than Douglas-fir, and eastern white pine is far softer than both.

Each column is the species its page leads with: longleaf pine for southern yellow pine, coast Douglas-fir for Douglas-fir.

Side by side

PropertyEastern white pineSouthern yellow pineDouglas-fir
Janka hardness, 12% MC380 lbf870 lbf710 lbf
Weight, 12% MC24.5 lb/ft³ (392 kg/m³)41.3 lb/ft³ (661 kg/m³)33.6 lb/ft³ (538 kg/m³)
Specific gravity, 12% MC0.350.590.48
Tangential shrinkage6.1%7.5%7.6%
Radial shrinkage2.1%5.1%4.8%
12 in flatsawn board, 6% → 12% MC0.153 in0.179 in0.192 in
12 in quartersawn board, 6% → 12% MC0.051 in0.099 in0.119 in
Bending strength (MOR), 12% MC8,600 psi14,500 psi12,400 psi
Stiffness (MOE), 12% MC1.24 million psi1.98 million psi1.95 million psi
Crushing strength, 12% MC4,800 psi8,470 psi7,230 psi

One source: USDA Forest Products Laboratory, the authority for species properties it measured

Wood Handbook Tables 5-3b, 4-3 and 13-5; weight and movement worked with its Eqs. 4-14 and 13-3. A dash means the Handbook prints no value.

What sets them apart

Douglas-fir’s name
The Handbook describes Douglas-fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii) under its own heading, apart from the true firs. Its local names include red-fir, yellow-fir and Douglas-spruce. (Wood Handbook, p. 2-11 to 2-12)
Weight and strength
Longleaf and slash pine are heavy, strong, stiff and hard; shortleaf and loblolly are usually somewhat lighter. Douglas-fir varies widely in weight and strength, and the Handbook says to use the denser wood where strength matters. Eastern white pine is lightweight, moderately soft and moderately low in strength. (Wood Handbook, p. 2-12 and 2-15)
Stability and working
Eastern white pine has low shrinkage, ranks high in stability, and is easy to work and glue. The southern pines have moderately high shrinkage but are dimensionally stable when properly dried. (Wood Handbook, p. 2-13 and 2-15)
Uses
Southern pine goes into heavy framing (stringers, trusses, joists), plywood and preservative-treated lumber. Douglas-fir goes mostly into building lumber, plywood and millwork. High-grade white pine goes into patterns, sashes, doors, furniture and knotty paneling. (Wood Handbook, p. 2-12 to 2-15)

For any other pair, open each species page from the wood hub; every page uses the same layout and the same sources.